Wikipedia:Ik bruuk Hülp/Archiv/2019

Disse Siet is en Archiv vun afslatene Diskuschonen. De Inholt schall nich mehr ännert warrn. Bruuk de aktuelle Diskuschoonssiet, wenn du noch wat to dat Thema schrieven wist. To ’n Afsnitt vun disse Siet en Lenk to setten, klick in dat Inholtsverteken op de Överschrift un kopeer denn den Siedennaam un de Överschrift ut de Adress-Reeg vun dien Nettbekieker (Bispeel: [[Wikipedia:Ik bruuk Hülp/Archiv/2019#Afsnittsöverschrift]]).

FileExporter beta feature

Coming soon: the beta feature FileExporter

A new beta feature will soon be released on all wikis: The FileExporter. It allows exports of files from a local wiki to Wikimedia Commons, including their file history and page history. Which files can be exported is defined by each wiki's community: Please check your wiki's configuration file if you want to use this feature.

The FileExporter has already been a beta feature on mediawiki.org, meta.wikimedia, deWP, faWP, arWP, koWP and on wikisource.org. After some functionality was added, it's now becoming a beta feature on all wikis. Deployment is planned for January 16. More information can be found on the project page.

As always, feedback is highly appreciated. If you want to test the FileExporter, please activate it in your user preferences. The best place for feedback is the central talk page. Thank you from Wikimedia Deutschland's Technical Wishes project.

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 10:41, 14. Jan. 2019 (CET)

No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January

You will not be able to edit the wikis for up to 30 minutes on 17 January 07:00 UTC. This is because of a database problem that has to be fixed immediately. You can still read the wikis. Some wikis are not affected. They don't get this message. You can see which wikis are not affected on this page. Most wikis are affected. The time you can not edit might be shorter than 30 minutes. /Johan (WMF)

19:49, 16. Jan. 2019 (CET)

Grunneng

De Stadt in de Nedderlannen heet bi uns opstunns Grunneng. Op nds-nl.wp heet de Artikel nds-nl:Grunnen. Ik lööv, dat maakt Sinn, wenn wi bi nedersaksische Öörd uns na de Naams op nds-nl richten doot. Oder wat meent ji?

Dat eenzige, wat ik noch överlegg: En Plattdüütschen ut Düütschland sprickt "Grunnen" nich richtig ut, wenn he sik mit Nedderlandsch nich utkennt. Schöölt wi dor mit de Schrievwies helpen un "Grünnen" schrieven oder schoolt wi uns rein na de nedersaksische Schrievwies richten? --::Slomox:: >< 14:42, 8. Feb. 2019 (CET)

@Bolingbroke, Eastfrisian, Irgendeen, Iwoelbern: wat meent ji? --::Slomox:: >< 14:55, 28. Feb. 2019 (CET)

Wenn dat en plattdüütschen Naam dorför gifft, den is dat de richtige. Wenn dat den nich gifft, denn is de Naam in de Originalspraak de richtige. So holl ik dat tomeist. und nds-nl is ja so toseggen plattdüütsch… --Iwoelbern ✍ 15:00, 28. Feb. 2019 (CET)

Grünnen sünd aber "Gründe". Dat passt glövv ik gar nich.--Irgendeen ✍ 16:15, 28. Feb. 2019 (CET)

Wenn ik dat also richtig interpreteer, denn sünd ji all beid för „Grunnen“. --::Slomox:: >< 09:07, 8. Mär 2019 (CET)

Mir fehlt dazu der richtige Zugang. Macht man, wie ihr das meint.--Irgendeen ✍ 09:37, 8. Mär 2019 (CET)

Talk to us about talking

The Wikimedia Foundation is planning a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.

We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis, whatever their experience, their skills or their devices.

We are looking for input from as many different parts of the Wikimedia community as possible. It will come from multiple projects, in multiple languages, and with multiple perspectives.

We are currently planning the consultation. We need your help.

We need volunteers to help talk to their communities or user groups.

You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:

1. First, sign up your group here.
2. Next, create a page (or a section on a Village pump, or an e-mail thread – whatever is natural for your group) to collect information from other people in your group. This is not a vote or decision-making discussion: we are just collecting feedback.
3. Then ask people what they think about communication processes. We want to hear stories and other information about how people communicate with each other on and off wiki. Please consider asking these five questions:
   1. When you want to discuss a topic with your community, what tools work for you, and what problems block you?
   2. What about talk pages works for newcomers, and what blocks them?
   3. What do others struggle with in your community about talk pages?
   4. What do you wish you could do on talk pages, but can't due to the technical limitations?
   5. What are the important aspects of a "wiki discussion"?
4. Finally, please go to Talk pages consultation 2019 on Mediawiki.org and report what you learned from your group. Please include links if the discussion is available to the public.

You can also help build the list of the many different ways people talk to each other.

Not all groups active on wikis or around wikis use the same way to discuss things: it can happen on wiki, on social networks, through external tools... Tell us how your group communicates.

You can read more about the overall process on mediawiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.

Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you.

Trizek (WMF) 16:01, 21. Feb. 2019 (CET)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Available Now (March 2019)

Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today!

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access, accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials on the Library Card platform:

• Kinige – Primarily Indian-language ebooks - 10 books per month
• Gale – Times Digital Archive collection added (covering 1785-2013)
• JSTOR – New applications now being taken again

Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Baylor University Press, Taylor & Francis, Cairn, Annual Reviews and Bloomsbury. You can request new partnerships on our Suggestions page.

Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
--The Wikipedia Library Team 18:40, 13. Mär 2019 (CET)

You can host and coordinate signups for a Wikipedia Library branch in your own language. Please contact Ocaasi (WMF).

This message was delivered via the Global Mass Message tool to The Wikipedia Library Global Delivery List.

Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April

You will not be able to edit most Wikimedia wikis for up to 30 minutes on 11 April 05:00 UTC. This is because of a hardware problem. You can still read the wikis. You can see which wikis are affected. The time you can not edit might be shorter than 30 minutes. /Johan (WMF)

12:56, 8. Apr. 2019 (CEST)

Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request

Hilf bitte mit, in deine Sprache zu übersetzen

The Wikimedia Foundation has published a Medium-Term Plan proposal covering the next 3–5 years. We want your feedback! Please leave all comments and questions, in any language, on the talk page, by April 20. Danke! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:35, 12. Apr. 2019 (CEST)

WikiCon 2019

Die offzielle Anmeldung zur WikiCon 2019 in Wuppertal ist jetzt gestartet. --Holder ✍ 17:26, 20. Jun. 2019 (CEST)

Wikidata Bridge: edit Wikidata’s data from Wikipedia infoboxes

Sorry for writing this message in English - feel free to help us translating it :)

Hello all,

Many language versions of Wikipedia use the content of Wikidata, the centralized knowledge base, to fill out the content of infoboxes. The data is stored in Wikidata and displayed, partially or completely, in the Wikipedia’s language, on the articles. This feature is used by many template editors, but brought several issues that were raised by communities in various places: not being able to edit the data directly from Wikipedia was one of them.

This is the reason why the Wikidata Bridge project started, with the goal of offering a way to Wikipedia editors to edit Wikidata’s data more easily. This will be achieved by an interface, connected to the infobox, that users can access directly from their local wiki.

The project is now at an early stage of development. A lot of user research has been done, and will continue to be done through the different phases of the project. The next steps of development will be achieved by the development team working at Wikimedia Deutschland, starting now until the end of 2019.

In order to make sure that we’re building a tool that is answering editors’ needs, we’re using agile methods in our development process. We don’t start with a fixed idea of the tool we want to deliver: we will build it together with the editors, based on feedback loops that we will regularly organize. The first version will not necessarily have all of the features you want, but it will keep evolving.

Here’s the planned timeline:

• From June to August, we will build the setup and technical groundwork.
• From September to November 2019, we will develop the first version of the feature and publish a test system so you can try it and give feedback.
• Later on, we will test the feature on a few projects, in collaboration with the communities.
  • We will first focus on early adopters communities who already implemented a shortcut from their infoboxes to edit Wikidata (for example Russian, Catalan, Basque Wikipedias)
  • but we also welcome also communities who volunteer to be part of the first test round.
  • Then we will reach some of the big Wikipedias (French, German, English) in order to see if the project scales and to address their potentially different needs.
  • Even later, we can consider enabling the feature on all the other projects.

In any case, no deployment or big change will be enforced on the projects without talking to the communities first, and helping the template builders to prepare for the changes they will have to do on the infoboxes’ code.

If you want to get involved, there are several ways to help:

• Read and help translating the documentation pages
• Follow the updates and participate in the first feedback loop
• Talk about it with your local community

More ideas will be added on this page along the way

If you have any questions for the development team, feel free to ask them on the main talk page. You can also ask under this message, but if you expect an answer from me, please make sure to ping me.

Thanks for your attention, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:03, 24. Jun. 2019 (CEST)

Editing News #1—July 2019

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

Edit Cards

This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases

The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:

1. Section editing
   • The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
   • The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
2. Loading overlay
   • The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects

This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.

• Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲 Try Edit Cards.
• Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
• Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
• Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use. The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

• Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to the team about how editing can be improved.
• Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more

The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

20:32, 23. Jul. 2019 (CEST)

Update on the consultation about office actions

Hello all,

Last month, the Wikimedia Foundation's Trust & Safety team announced a future consultation about partial and/or temporary office actions. We want to let you know that the draft version of this consultation has now been posted on Meta.

This is a draft. It is not intended to be the consultation itself, which will be posted on Meta likely in early September. Please do not treat this draft as a consultation. Instead, we ask your assistance in forming the final language for the consultation.

For that end, we would like your input over the next couple of weeks about what questions the consultation should ask about partial and temporary Foundation office action bans and how it should be formatted. Please post it on the draft talk page. Our goal is to provide space for the community to discuss all the aspects of these office actions that need to be discussed, and we want to ensure with your feedback that the consultation is presented in the best way to encourage frank and constructive conversation.

Please visit the consultation draft on Meta-wiki and leave your comments on the draft’s talk page about what the consultation should look like and what questions it should ask.

Thank you for your input! -- The Trust & Safety team 10:03, 16. Aug. 2019 (CEST)

New tools and IP masking

Hey everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation wants to work on two things that affect how we patrol changes and handle vandalism and harassment. We want to make the tools that are used to handle bad edits better. We also want to get better privacy for unregistered users so their IP addresses are no longer shown to everyone in the world. We would not hide IP addresses until we have better tools for patrolling.

We have an idea of what tools could be working better and how a more limited access to IP addresses would change things, but we need to hear from more wikis. You can read more about the project on Meta and post comments and feedback. Now is when we need to hear from you to be able to give you better tools to handle vandalism, spam and harassment.

You can post in your language if you can't write in English.

Johan (WMF)

16:18, 21. Aug. 2019 (CEST)

Kategorien un Froonslüüd

In Artikels över Froonslüüd staht ünnen de Kategorien jümmer in de männliche Form: bi Marie Curie steiht to’n Bispeel „Chemiker“, „Physiker“. Op de hoochdüütsche Wikipedia hebbt sik dor al fakener Lüüd beklaagt, dat dor doch beter „Chemikerin“, „Physikerin“ stahn schall, so dat de Froonslüüd nich ünner de Mannslüüd ünnerbottert warrt.

2017 hebbt sik in en Ümfraag en ganze Reeg Lüüd wünscht, dat dat Problem technisch lööst warrt, so dat bi Froonslüüd de richtige Form wiest warrt (de:Wikipedia:Umfragen/Technische Wünsche 2017/Wartung). Mi persönlich dücht dat ok snaaksch, dat de Froonslüüd so ünnerbottert warrt. Nadem de Diskuschoon op de.wp in’n März 2019 wedder hoogkaakt is, heff ik mi hensett un de Extension GenderCat schreven, de dat mööglich maakt, Formen för Froonslüüd to definieren, de denn in’n Artikel wiest warrt.

Dat löppt so: Dormit Kategorie:Chemiker bi en Fro as „Chemikerin“ wiest warrt, warrt in Kategorie:Chemiker {{#GenderCat:f=~in}} rinschreven. Dormit weet de Software, dat se bi en Fro en „-in“ an’n Kategorienaam ranhangen schall. Wenn in en Artikel also gliektiedig de Kategorie:Fru angeven is, denn warrt de Kategorienaam in de Form för Froonslüüd wiest. Dat is ok dat eenzige, wat sik ännert: Dat ünnen ünner den Artikel de Kategorienaam anners dorstellt warrt! In’n Borntext steiht liekers jümmer noch „[[Kategorie:Chemiker]]“ in. Un ok de Link wiest jümmer noch op Kategorie:Chemiker.

De Ünnerscheed is also nich mehr as dat hier:

An’n 28. August is nu op de.wp en twete Ümfraag anlopen (löppt bet 11. September), in de dat dor üm geiht, wat de Extension op de.wp aktiveert warrn schall: de:Wikipedia:Technische Wünsche/Topwünsche/Geschlechterspezifische Anzeige der Kategorien/Abstimmung.

Dat sütt opstunns so ut, as wenn dat aflehnt warrt. Na mien Verscheel ut temlich slechte Grünn (gnuddelige ole Maanslüüd, de „Genderwahn!“ gröhlt).

@Bolingbroke, @Eastfrisian, @Irgendeen, @Iwoelbern un @all de annern, de dat intresseert: Wat meent ji? Wüllt wi dat hier op nds.wp aktiveren?

PS: Ik kümmer mi dor üm, dat dat ümsett warrt. Ji hebbt dor keen Arbeid von. --::Slomox:: >< 09:53, 3. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Dat künnt wi geern aktiveren. Dat maakt keen tosätzliche Arbeit un deit ok anners nümms wat an. Man tau… --Iwoelbern ✍ 14:11, 3. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Ik for mien Deel segg ja jummers noch "-sche", wenn dat um Froenslüde geiht. Hüdigendags gellt dat avers woll as en beten ollerhaftig. Mi is egol, vun mientwegen könnt wir geern ganz vörweg marscheern bi dat Liekstellen vun Froenslüde...--Bolingbroke2 ✍ 19:23, 9. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Dor köönt wi geern över snacken, wat „Chemikerin“ oder „Chemikersche“ beter is. Dat kann ok bi jede enkelte Kategorie nee besnackt warrn. „Schriever/Schrieversche“, „Chemiker/Chemikerin“, „Kameramann/Kamerafro“, wi mööt uns nich op een System fastleggen, de Extension lett dat to, dat för jede Kategorie enkelt fasttoleggen. --::Slomox:: >< 08:09, 10. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Hört sück nich slecht an. Eastfrisian ✍ 20:24, 11. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Na twee Weken heff ik nu Antwoord kregen. De Antwoord is: nds.wp alleen is nich wichtig noog...

Zitat: die Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) [..] [will] keine MediaWiki-Erweiterungen mehr nur auf einzelnen Wikis bereitstellen.

De hoochdüütsche Wikipedia is ja ok en einzelnes Wiki, aver dor weer dat keen Problem... --::Slomox:: >< 09:30, 19. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Ik heff dat nu in en Variante aktiv stellt, de op Javascript sett. All Kategorien warrt nu in de Form för Froonslüüd wiest, wenn de Kategorie:Fru sett is.

Wenn dat bi jo nich klappt: Cache leddig maken (normalerwies mit Strg+R). Wenn dat denn jümmer noch nich klappt: mi Bescheed seggen un seggen mit wat för en Browser dat weer.

Wenn ji Fehlers finnt (Kategorien, de nich in de Form för Froonslüüd wiest warrt oder annerswat): mi Bescheed seggen. --::Slomox:: >< 10:29, 21. Feb. 2020 (CET)

Un wat ik noch vergeten heff: wenn dat noch Wünsch gifft, de konkreten Formen to ännern, to’n Bispeel „Schrieversche“ un nich „Schrieverin“: eben gau op düsse Sied wat schrieven. Ik heff nu mehrstendeels de Form „-in“ nahmen, aver ik heff nix gegen „-sche“. Un wenn de annern dat ok so seht, denn änner ik dat geern. --::Slomox:: >< 10:43, 21. Feb. 2020 (CET)

Bi de dree tofallige Sieten, wo ik dat nakeken heff, löpt dat richtig. Besten Dank dorför.

„-in“ oder „-sche“ is mi nich wichtig. Ik bruukt tomeist „-sche“, man dat gifft ok Beteken, woneem sik dat mi „-in“ wiet beter anhöört. --Iwoelbern ✍ 10:48, 21. Feb. 2020 (CET)

Bi Frömdwöör ut dat Latiensche oder Greeksche bün ik op jeden Fall för „-in“. „Psycholoogsche“ klingt snurrig. Bi düütsche Wöör so as „Schriever“ oder „Schauspeler“ bün ik neetraal. Wi sünd op jeden Fall nich dwungen, dat wi dat eenheitlich maakt. Ik kann för jedet enkelte Woord entscheiden, wat för en Form dat ween schall. --::Slomox:: >< 10:54, 21. Feb. 2020 (CET)

Nee'n Brukernaam, so'n Schiet

Ik hebb düssen Sommer en ne'en Computer kregen, de ole is weg un al de Passwöer, de dor up spiekert weern, sünd ok weg. Vundeswegen hebb ik mi en ne'en Naam toleggt: Bolingbroke2. Ik bün avers desülvige bleven, ik konn mi bloß unner mien olen Naam nich mehr anmellen. Wenn ik dat versocht hebb, is mi jummers mellt wurrn, ik harr keen e-mail-Adress angeven. Nu heet ik also Bolingbroke2. Oder kann een vun Jo dor wat an dreihn? --Bolingbroke2 ✍ 19:27, 9. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Hallo Bolingbroke2, wenn du das Passwort vergessen hast und keine Mail angeben hast, kann niemand den Account retten, soweit ich weiß, nicht einmal die Stewards. Gruß --Holder ✍ 06:24, 10. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Mi dücht, Holder hett recht... Aver freit mi, dat du trügg büst!!! Ik heff di misst un heff ok versöcht, di maal en E-Mail totostüren, üm to fragen, wat mit di is. Aver dor hett mi de Software datsülve seggt: keen E-Mail-Adress angeven... Fein, dat du wedder rinkickst :-) --::Slomox:: >< 08:05, 10. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Kategorien Lüüd na Staat

Bernd Klingner is en Sportler ut Düütschland. Dorüm steiht he bi uns in de „Kategorie:Düütschland“. de.wp maakt dat en beten genauer un hett de „Kategorie:Deutscher“, de nich blots utseggt, dat he wat mit Düütschland to doon hett, man dat he Staatsbörger von Düütschland is. Düsse Ünnerscheed warrt wichtig bi Lüüd so as de:Claus Ruhe Madsen, de Börgermeester in Düütschland is, aver däänschen Staatsbörger.

Wenn wi dat bi uns ok afbillen wüllt, denn köönt wi en „Kategorie:Düütscher“ oder „Kategorie:Düütschen“ anleggen. Mien Problem dormit: dat föhrt bi annere Länner to snaaksche Kategorienaams („Kategorie:Belizer“, „Kategorie:Sri Lanker“, „Kategorie:Ivorer“). Dorüm is miene Idee, dat wi düsse Kategorien bi uns na dat Schema „Kategorie:Börger von Düütschland“ nöömt („Kategorie:Börger von Belize“, „Kategorie:Börger von Sri Lanka“, „Kategorie:Börger von de Elfenbeenküst“).

Bevör ik nu över 200 ne’e Kategorien anlegg un denn kummt Kritik: gifft dat dor Gegenargumente? --::Slomox:: >< 09:20, 19. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Dorgegen heff ik nix, man nödig is dat mein Ansicht na ok nich. Bit nu hebbt wi dat so maakt, dat een denn mehrere Kategorien anleggt. Wenn to'n Bispeel en Minsch de Staatstohöörigkeit wesselt hett, oder ut politische Grünnen de Tohöörigkeit ännert worrn is (t.B. Länner de ut'nanner broken sünd as Sowjetunion, CSSR, Jugoslawien...). Dat künn man hier jüst so maken. Also bi dat Bispeel Madsen harr ik de Kategorien Düütschland un Däänmark sett. Aver, vun mi ut künnt wi de "Börger vun…"-Kategorien ok inföhren. --Iwoelbern ✍ 09:29, 19. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Nu is dat trech (to’n gröttsten Deel). Sünd blots noch en poor Twievelsfäll na. 99 % von de Artikels hebbt aver de Staatsbörgerschop. Oder genauer: een Staatsbörgerschop. Dat gifft noch en Reeg Lüüd, de mehr as een Staatsbörgerschop harrn un betherto blots een Kategorie hebbt. Aver dat mutt denn mit de Tied kamen. --::Slomox:: >< 12:26, 9. Mär 2020 (CET)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started

Hello,

In a recent statement, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees requested that staff hold a consultation to "re-evaluat[e] or add community input to the two new office action policy tools (temporary and partial Foundation bans)".

Accordingly, the Foundation's Trust & Safety team invites all Wikimedians to join this consultation and give their feedback from 30 September to 30 October.

How can you help?

• Suggest how partial and temporary Foundation bans should be used, if they should (eg: On all projects, or only on a subset);

• Give ideas about how partial and temporary Foundation bans should ideally implemented, if they should be; and/or

• Propose changes to the existing Office Actions policy on partial and temporary bans.

We offer our thanks in advance for your contributions, and we hope to get as much input as possible from community members during this consultation!

-- Kbrown (WMF) 19:14, 30. Sep. 2019 (CEST)

Samenwarking nds-NL en nds-Wikipedia

Moi, nåbers! So as jülen meskeen wel weaten binnen wy up de nds-NL-Wikipedia eynige tyd eleaden oaverestapped up de Nysassiske Skryvwyse, disse skryvwyse vergrout de underlinge verstånbårheid an weaderskanten van de grens (as et good is) en geyt üüt van etymology in plaatse van fonetik (skryven so as jy dat seagen). Dat brengt de neaderlandske en düütske varianten van et sassisk dichter by mekare (howel der in de woordeskat natuurlik altyd verskillen süllen blyven). Nu hebben wy emarked dat et up beide wikis årdig stille is, en hadden et idee üm te kyken of der animo is üm de beide wikis (nds.wikipedia.org & nds-nl.wikipedia.org) samen te doon of up een andere wyse de samenwarking te vergrouten of artikels üüt te wisselen. De vöärdeylen van fusy sollen weasen: meyr aktive gebrukers; beater insicht en beatere handhaving van vandalisme; groutere diversiteit an artikels in eyn gesamenlik projekt. De nådeylen sollen weasen: de skryvwyse, Sass'sche Schrievwies en de verskillende kleine regionale skryvwyses üüt NL en DE binnen minder good te leasen sunder kennis van düütsk of neaderlandsk; de neutralere Nysassiske Skryvwyse sol dan een üütkumst weasen vöär nye artikels, de gebrükersümgeaving/menü-underdeylen, de 'hööftsiet', etc.; de woordeskat verskilt vanselv in NL/DE, dår sol jy dan een landsneutralere bewoording in mütten söken (dit doon wy ouk al up de nds-nl-wiki wår wy een tüskenversy gebrüken vöär de menüteksten, een soort middenweg tüsken de verskillende dialekten).

Ho kyken jülen hyr teagenan, hebben jülen selv ideen vöär een beatere samenwarking, of vöär et vergrouten van de sichtbårheid van mekaars wiki? Ik höyre et graege. Grootnis. Servien ✍ 23:50, 12. Okt 2019 (CEST)

Mockup

Ik bün för allens, wat uns dichter bienanner föhrt. Aver na mien Verscheel sünd de Grünn, de to twee separate Wikis föhrt hebbt, jümmer noch vörhannen. Ik heff vör en Tied en Geschicht schreven un de Geschicht vör Lüüd vörleest, de densülven Dialekt snackt as ik. De Reakschoon weer: dat mutt doch Glääs heten un nich Glöös! (Glääs/Glöös: Plural von Glas) Wenn ik mi nu vörstell, dat ik de sülven Lüüd dien Text hier vörlees, denn nehmt de mit dat nich af, dat dat wat mit Plattdüütsch to doon hett! 🤷

Liekers: wenn wi de Sichtborkeit verbetern köönt, denn bün ik dor för. Dat Bild rechts wiest as Mockup, wat wi to’n Bispeel mit en beten Javascript maken köönt (an de Artikels mutt dorför nix ännert warrn). Dat is denn noch düüdlich beter sichtbor as de fett schreven Interwiki, den wi al hebbt. (Un vör allen ok sichtbor bi Artikels, de noch keen Interwiki na nds-nl hebbt.)

Aver mehr as "Link noch grötter maken" fallt mi opstunns ok nich in... Ik bün aver för Ideen apen. --::Slomox:: >< 09:23, 14. Okt 2019 (CEST)

De readenen vöär et bestån van de twey wikis binnen der noch altyd, dat klopt. De skryvwyse was dårby et groutste probleem, de Nysassiske Skryvwyse maakt Plattdüütsche teksten een stük beater leasbår (en andersümme ouk as et good is). Vöär de afwykende woordeskat hadden wy een glossarium künnen maken. Up de nds-nl-wiki hebben wy al wat Plattdüütsche teksten in de NSS, en dat geyt tot nu to good.

Dat mid glääs versus glöös dat hold jy altyd, der binnen nun eynmål variatys, party meansken binnen neet so fleksibel dat se begrypen dat der meyrere formen möägelik binnen. Suksoort meansken mütten wy upvoden. De Nysassiske Skryvwyse sörgt der wel vöär dat der up skrivt optisk minder variaty is, bv. <steyn> kün jy leasen as: stein, stain, stien, steen, etc.

An een ekstra tabblad vöär nds-NL/nds-DE heb ik ouk al edocht. Wy künnen altyd proberen of suks warkt in de praktyk. Meskeen künnen wy ouk es kyken nå et vöärblad, of wy de vöärbladen/Hööftsieden (NSS höyvdsyden) untwarpen künnen dee meyr up mekare lyken (so as by de freeske wikis).

Ik see ouk dat jülen wel een warkende mobile versy hebben van et vöärblad, ik kryge et neet terechte. Ho heb jy dat vöär mekare ekreagen? Servien ✍ 00:25, 17. Okt 2019 (CEST)

To de mobile Hööftsiet: hest du al mw:Mobile Gateway/Mobile homepage formatting funnen? Dor steiht wat.

party meansken binnen neet so fleksibel Dor hest du recht. Ik bün blots bang, dat party meansken 90 % von all de Lüüd sünd, de sik för Plattdüütsch intresseert. 🤷 --::Slomox:: >< 08:27, 17. Okt 2019 (CEST)

Ik heff mi dat ankeken: dat nds-nl-Vöärblad sütt so slecht ja nich ut ünner mobil. Dat eenzige, wat nich good is, is dat dat twee Spalten/kolommen Text sünd. Dat schull in de Mobilansicht beter ünnerenanner stahn. Dat Problem: dat kumplette Vöärblad is mit Tabellen formateert. Dat is nich mehr "state of the art" in’t Webdesign. Dat mööt allens div-Elementen wesen. Bedüüdt, dat dat Vöärblad von vörn bet achtern kumplett ümstellt warrn mutt. --::Slomox:: >< 08:34, 17. Okt 2019 (CEST)

Slomox, ik hebbe de gegeavens döärekreagen van eyne dee wat meyr verstand hevt van CSS-programmering en vaker by kleine wikis helpt, kyken of hee et vöärblad mobilklår te krygen of myn tips kan geaven dårvöär. Wat ik eyrder al seag, meskeen mooi üm de höyvdsyden up mekare af te stemmen. Ik hebbe een testversy vöär de nds-wiki emaked (NB: noch neet mobilklår, düs neet noch neet good brüükbår), in elk geval wat eigentydser as et vöärblad wat jülen nun hebben. As jülen een ander vöärblad weaten wat wy up beide wikis gebrüken künnen, dan is dat ouk mooi (as et mär origineel is, en neet so as oaveral et selvde of olderwets). Servien ✍ 23:14, 31. Okt 2019 (CET)

Ik heff dor nix gegen, wenn wi de Hööftsiet/dat Vörbladd op düsse Wies eenheitlich maakt (un mobilkloor). Över en poor Details mööt wi denn noch snacken, aver mientwegen kann dat so ween. --::Slomox:: >< 08:09, 5. Nov. 2019 (CET)

Slomox, wy satten te denken üm et untwarp van de spaanske of de franske wiki te gebrüken ümdat et ümmebouwen nochal lastig geyt. Welke sol jy et leevst up nds.wiki hebben (ik sol wel graege de kolommen underan üütelynd hebben, dat is by de spaanske wiki neet so, mär dat kan wel anepasd wörden)? Servien ✍ 21:00, 11. Nov. 2019 (CET)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project

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Hallo. The Readers Web team at the WMF will work on some improvements to the desktop interface over the next couple of years. The goal is to increase usability without removing any functionality. We have been inspired by changes made by volunteers, but that currently only exist as local gadgets and user scripts, prototypes, and volunteer-led skins. We would like to begin the process of bringing some of these changes into the default experience on all Wikimedia projects.

We are currently in the research stage of this project and are looking for ideas for improvements, as well as feedback on our current ideas and mockups. So far, we have performed interviews with community members at Wikimania. We have gathered lists of previous volunteer and WMF work in this area. We are examining possible technical approaches for such changes.

We would like individual feedback on the following:

• Identifying focus areas for the project we have not yet discovered
• Expanding the list of existing gadgets and user scripts that are related to providing a better desktop experience. If you can think of some of these from your wiki, please let us know
• Feedback on the ideas and mockups we have collected so far

We would also like to gather a list of wikis that would be interested in being test wikis for this project - these wikis would be the first to receive the updates once we’re ready to start building.

When giving feedback, please consider the following goals of the project:

• Make it easier for readers to focus on the content
• Provide easier access to everyday actions (e.g. search, language switching, editing)
• Put things in logical and useful places
• Increase consistency in the interface with other platforms - mobile web and the apps
• Eliminate clutter
• Plan for future growth

As well as the following constraints:

• Not touching the content - no work will be done in terms of styling templates or to the structure of page contents themselves
• Not removing any functionality - things might move around, but all navigational items and other functionality currently available by default will remain
• No drastic changes to the layout - we're taking an evolutionary approach to the changes and want the site to continue feeling familiar to readers and editors

Please give all feedback (in any language) at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

After this round of feedback, we plan on building a prototype of suggested changes based on the feedback we receive. You’ll hear from us again asking for feedback on this prototype.

Danke! Quiddity (WMF) (talk)

09:18, 16. Okt 2019 (CEST)

Beta feature "Reference Previews"

A new beta feature will soon be deployed to your wiki: Reference Previews. As you might guess from the name, this feature gives you a preview of references in the article text. That means, you can look up a reference without jumping down to the bottom of the page.

Reference Previews have already been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April. Now they will become available on more wikis. Deployment is planned for October 24. More information can be found on the project page.

As always, feedback is highly appreciated. If you want to test Reference Previews, please activate the beta feature in your user preferences and let us know what you think. The best place for feedback is the central talk page. We hope the feature will serve you well in your work. Thank you from Wikimedia Deutschland's Technical Wishes project.

-- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 11:47, 23. Okt 2019 (CEST)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages

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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help

What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team wants your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk pages project

The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor

The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards

What happens when you click on a link. The new Edit Card is bigger and has more options for editing links.

• On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
• There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
• Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar

The editing toolbar is changing in the mobile visual editor. The old system had two different toolbars. Now, all the buttons are together. Tell the team what you think about the new toolbar.

• In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
  • One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
  • New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
  • Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
• Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania

The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

• Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
• Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
• Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The Editing team hopes to share results in November. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

12:12, 29. Okt 2019 (CET)

Wikipedia Asian Month 2019

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Wikipedia Asian Month is back! We wish you all the best of luck for the contest. The basic guidelines of the contest can be found on your local page of Wikipedia Asian Month. For more information, refer to our Meta page for organizers.

Looking forward to meet the next ambassadors for Wikipedia Asian Month 2019!

For additional support for organizing offline event, contact our international team on wiki or on email. We would appreciate the translation of this message in the local language by volunteer translators. Thank you!

Wikipedia Asian Month International Team.

MediaWiki message delivery ✍ 17:57, 31. Okt 2019 (CET)

Wikiborn/Wikibron

Ik hebbe Wikiborn/Wikibron ümmesetted in nds-NL, nun heb ik allinnig een vråge oaver de vermelding in de språkenlyste, nun steyt der Plattdüütsch, mär geen Nedersaksisch (of neddersassisk/neadersassisk of wat dan ouk). Willen wy dår de name in de språkelyste anpassen nå Plattdüüsch/Nedersaksisch, een dubbele vermelding Plattdüütsch en Nedersaksisch ampart (mär verwysend nå deselvde syde) of de gemeynskappelike name Neddersassisk gebrüken? Meskeen künnen wy et ouk in de titel döärvoren: Main Page/Neddersassisk of gewoan Main Page/nds? Servien ✍ 20:47, 11. Nov. 2019 (CET)

Extension of Wikipedia Asian Month contest

In consideration of a week-long internet block in Iran, Wikipedia Asian Month 2019 contest has been extended for a week past November. The articles submitted till 7th December 2019, 23:59 UTC will be accepted by the fountain tools of the participating wikis.

Please help us translate and spread this message in your local language.

Wikipedia Asian Month International Team

--MediaWiki message delivery ✍ 15:16, 27. Nov. 2019 (CET)

Terminology: nedderdüütschl/neddersassisch/plattdüütsch/westneddersassisch-westnedderdüütsch

Wellicht een good idee üm ouk up disse wiki evven good te kyken nå de verwarrende terminology wat et (neader)sassisk angeyt. Up de nds-NL-wiki gebrüken wy platdüütsk en neadersassisk as synonymen (et geyt dårby üm et heyle språkgebeed inklusiv oustnedderdüütsk). Nedderdüütsk ümvat by uns alle språkvarianten dee neet deylenöämen hebben an de tweyde germaanske klankversküving (dus ouk et neaderlandsk). De språke sunder et oustnedderdüütsk (dat ouk gewoan een neadersassisk/platdüütsk dialekt is mid een ander warkwoordsuffiks (verbsuffiks)) hit by uns westneddersassisk (neet enkeld neadersassisk, dat is een totum pro parte). See ouk: nds-nl:Terminologie Nederduuts-Platduuts-Nedersaksisch. Meskeen ouk een idee üm es de artikels Ooldsassisch en Middelsassisch wat uut te breiden, vremd dat andere språken meyr oaver unse geskydenisse te melden hebben as wy selv. Servien ✍ 22:49, 28. Dez 2019 (CET)